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One-Handed Draw Stroke By 7677
Joe Doakes' note: This treatise was written by “7677”, moniker of an esteemed ICCF member and administrator. A US Army veteran, former police officer, and now retired federal agent, 7677 is a highly experienced marksman, combat shooter, instructor, and innovator.
The basic draw stroke that the majority of point shooters use was for the most part laid out in Fairbairn and Sykes book “Shooting to live”. However, in the book the draw stoke is not discussed it was assumed that people would pick up on it by doing the positions outlined in the book. The book teaches what I called a “low” draw stoke compare to the “high” draw stoke that is taught with Quick Fire.
The Master Grip,
The first step of the draw is the master grip. The master grip is a firm grip of the firearm. (the master grip changes depending on which type of holster is being used)
Half-Hip,
After the master grip is attained the weapon is drawn to the half hip position. The best-written explanation of this technique was by Dave James with Elbow Up/ Elbow down (EU/ED). This technique gets the out of the holster and on the target extremely fast. The inside of the elbow is driven into the side and when the shooter feels it hit his side he fires. (Now there have been debates on what “the side of the body” is and depending on the shooter the side can be the side of the body on the floating ribs or forward to the front of the body on the ribs above the stomach it depends on the size of the person and what they feel comfortable with.) The exact position of EU/ED largely depends on which point shooter you look at as Jelly Brice’s EU/ED position was different then Bill Jordan’s and the list goes on. The next consideration for the position of the elbow is the distance to your enemy. In Extreme close quarter situations elbow is going to be further back. Note: you might even find yourself in ¼ hip position.
Three-Quarters Hip,
Once you are in the ½ hip (EU/ED) you transition to ¾ hip. The gun is brought up under your dominate eye with the elbow bent. The gun should be under the eye about 6 to 8 inches with the gun in your peripheral vision. NOTE: the pictures in Shooting to Live show the gun in the exact centerline of the body, however this is true for people with most cross dominate eyes but most people with dominate eyes on the same side as the shooting hand bring it under their dominate eye.
Point-Shoulder,
After the ¾ hip the shooter transitions to the point shoulder. The Point shoulder comes from Rex Applegate’s book “Kill or Be Killed. The “point shoulder” position which the strong arm is thrusted out just under the line of sight under the dominant eye.
Convulsive Grip,
A convulsive grip is used while shooting all of these positions. The convulsive grip limits how far the arm can be brought up with the point shoulder position. It also keeps the gun from bouncing around during rapid-fire drills while you transition though the above positions during the draw stroke.
The Zipper,
The zipper the act of firing throughout your draw stoke and leaving a vertical line of bullets on the target. How far you make it through your draw stoke depends on how are your enemy is from you. The entire zipper drill is the following the first shot is taken at the EU/ED position and the shooter continues to rapid fire through the ¾ hip and point shoulder, which should place the rounds in the head.
Eyes,
The gun should follow you eyes not your eyes following the gun. You should focus on a point COM and once you take your fist shot (EU/ED) shift your focus to you ending point and the gun with follow the path up the body from just below your first point to your ending point.
The Gun,
At first practice shooting at 3 yards when you reach each position in the draw stroke. During these drills it is important that you look COM take your first shot (EU/ED), look at the target’s neck (3/4 hip), take the next shot, Then between the target’s eyes (Point Shoulder) and take the third shot. Once you are hitting the points you are focusing on then attempt a double tap at each position. Then when you get that down then attempt to shoot throughout the entire draw stroke. You should be able to get 4 to 6 rounds on the target. After you got this down then move to 5 yards and start over again. Remember, if you groups start to open up during rapid fire it is because your grip is too lose and you need to make it tighter. My grip starts at firm and becomes firmer “tighter” the faster I shoot my gun.
My comment here; once a person has mastered the above, add multiple targets, movement and cover and I feel a person would be a very well rounded shootist indeed.
Here's a PDF version for your convenience: The One-Handed Draw Stroke By 7677
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About The Making Firearms Safe Forum - PLEASE READ
Simply put, this forum will contain instructions and tips on how to safely unload, clear or proof (antiquated British term), and prove (the weapon is empty), various firearms are completely unloaded and safe to handle, store, or dry fire. A few points I’d like to make, in no particular order:
- You have to learn, and religiously abide by, the The Four Basic Rules of Firearms Safety, which can be found here: Firearms Safety Procedures along with additional safety information.
- Always REFER TO THE OWNER'S MANUAL of your specific firearm for the final word on any operating procedures. I cannot emphasize this enough. They designed it, they manufactured it, they know how it works better that anyone else.
- Whenever YOU touch a firearm, YOU must make certain it is safe (unloaded). Never, ever, take anyone’s word for it, regardless of who they are.
- Whenever YOU touch a firearm, YOU must make certain it is safe (unloaded), even if you just cleared it and put it down. When you again pick it up, clear the weapon thus guaranteeing it is safe.
- When you read or hear the term “safe direction” you have to THINK (⬅key word), “if the gun went off, where would the bullet go?” Safe direction means more than just your immediate area. It means also what’s beyond that area. Safe direction means towards something that will immediately stop the bullet, without allowing it to penetrate, should the firearm discharge. You have to THINK (⬅key word), “if the gun went off, would this _______ safely stop the bullet?”
- The best advice I can give you is, if you're uncertain of anything pertaining to a firearm, BEFORE YOU TOUCH IT, seek PROFESSIONAL help. Then build yourself a set of safe operating procedures and stick to them religiously...and I do mean religiously.
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4-Way Sillcock Key
“One thing that I have in my GHB that I rarely see mentioned for GHBs is a four way sillcock key (pic below). This is a device for turning on tamper resistant or industrial hose bibs that are on the outside of many commercial or industrial buildings. Those hose bibs could become a valuable source of water on a trek home. They are available from Survival Resources for about ten bucks, which I consider a bargain.”
My reply was as follows:
FWIW, I completely agree. That's a damned good item to have Gloves, glad you mentioned it. I had a couple of those floating around the house/vehicle years ago. Actually, one was in my glove box for a long time. Came in handy a couple of times too, but not in an emergency situation. A good item to have for anyone, especially if you're an urbanite.
Here's a video from the site you mentioned, Gloves.
OK, one thing I want to mention, which he didn't, is let the water run a while before you drink it and/or fill your bottle. Many of the sources get used very infrequently and the water is just sitting in the pipes for months or longer. I know this from experience. Also, take a big drink and then top off the bottle before you're done. You never know where your next water supply will be.
Oh, and another tip learned from experience. Make sure you get a steel key and not a cheap pot metal one. Back in the late 70's, while I was at work, I actually split a socket on one trying to open a seized water spigot (or sillcock). Long story, but that cost me a lot of walkin' and it was a very hot day.
I forgot to mention, I like the hose idea shown in the video in post #10.
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Random Thoughts On First-Aid/Medical Kits
- What’s your level of training and experience in emergency first-aid and “Dr. Mom” medicine and how current are you?
- What’s to be accomplished with this particular FAK?
- Consider your history with needing some type of first-aid or administering it to others. In other words, do you even need a kit for this particular application and, if so, what type or types?
- Is this kit for you alone, you and your family, or perhaps the general public?
- Familiarize yourself with the purpose of, and the techniques for using, every item you include in your kit(s). Otherwise, you are merely accumulating rubbish and weight.
- Once you establish what, specifically, the kit is intended to do, stick with that plan. Don’t get carried away with additional bells and whistles based upon “what-ifs” and possible bragging rights.
- If you’re really serious about becoming a self-made medic, not just the owie-booboo/Dr. Mom kind, I suggest training in EFA, CPR, AED, and FAST for starters.
- Various medical instructional sheets, laminated (stored in the appropriate category’s zip-lock).
- ACEP first-aid manual.
- Medical shears (EMT scissors).
- Magnifying glass and OTC reading glasses (aka cheaters).
- Penlight w/spare batteries (eventually a headlamp was added).
- Tweezers (several types and forceps would’ve come in handy as well).
- Disposable forehead thermometer strips.
- Blood pressure gauge/cuff (aka sphygmomanometer, try saying that).
- Blood oxygen/pulse monitor (aka pulse oximeter).
- Infrared digital thermometer.
- Sterilized hand towels (store in zip-lock or vacuum seal bags).
- Eye wash and cup.
- Note pad and several pencils.
- Sawyer extractor.
- If possible get training.
- Don’t pack more that you need for the task at hand.
- Don’t pack anything you don’t already know how to use.
- Think; use your common sense.
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Dry Fire vs Dry Training
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The Sight Continuum
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The 7 Shooting Fundamentals
- Make a “v” with your dominant hand; your thumb should be on one side and all the other fingers on the other.
- The gun is placed in the center of the v with the middle, ring, and pinky fingers wrapped around the pistol’s grip.
- Place the area between the joint and the tip of the index finger pad on the trigger. Do not over insert the finger; otherwise, it may cause the other fingers to move and interfere with your shot when you squeeze the trigger.
- Bullseye – For the bullseye shooter using only one hand on the gun, the stance is at a 45-degree angle to the target with the feet shoulder-width apart. The thumb of the non-firing hand should anchor securely in the pocket to prevent the free arm from swaying and throwing your shot off- balance.
- Weaver – This stance is for the action shooter with both hands on the gun. The feet are at an angle to the target, the strong arm is straight, and the weak arm is bent. The weaver stance helps lock in the upper body and provides tension in the pistol grip for better recoil control.
- Isosceles – The body is facing directly toward the target in this stance. Both hands are on the gun, and arms are straight out in front of the shooter. The upper body leans slightly forward.
- Oxygenate the blood – Regular breathing adequately oxygenates the blood, which sharpens vision and keeps you alert.
- Relaxes the nerves – Regular breaths help to relax the muscles and nerves for optimal shots.
- Steady movement – Prevent jerky movements and forced breathing that can quickly mess up your shot.
- Pulling – Pulling the gun is caused by placing too much finger on the trigger, causing a hooked finger that pulls the gun to the side when the shot is discharged. This causes your shot to hit to the right of the target.
- Pushing – Pushing is caused by too little finger in the gun, which creates a side push of the trigger instead of straight back, producing a shot that will be hitting left of the target.
Take care and stay safe,
Joe Doakes aka Kilogulf59
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Understanding Humidity, the Dew Point, and Your Comfort
- On a hot, sticky, rather uncomfortable summer day you could have an outside temperature of 92 with a dew point temperature of 68 (which is listed in the uncomfortable zone in the chart above) this would give you a relative humidity of about 46%.
- On a pleasant, warm yet comfortable spring day you could have an outside temperature of 72 with a dew point temperature of 55 (which is listed as pleasant in the above chart) you would have a relative humidity of about 55%.
Take care and stay safe,
Joe Doakes aka Kilogulf59
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The Conditions Of Readiness For The Pump Action Shotgun
My decision in writing this was not made because I’ve come up with something new or different. It’s simply to help clarify things for rookie shotgun owners. The seasoned shotgunners already know all of this, possibly by other names or numbers and perhaps with a slightly different twist on the procedures. Nonetheless, a rose by any other name... I’m simply trying to ID the roses.
To keep things less confusing (I hope), I’m going to base these upon The Conditions of Carry For The Automatic Pistol by the late Jeff Cooper.
PLEASE NOTE: Your make and model of shotgun may require slightly different procedures. Much of this applies to many auto-loading shotguns as well. In all, you’ll get the general idea.
I posted an excellent video at the bottom, which shows exactly how a slide or pump action shotgun works. In this case it’s a Remington 870.
Take care and stay safe,
Joe Doakes aka Kilogulf59
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Safety and Function Checks for the Slide or Pump Action Shotgun
“We used to check the firing pin operation when going on shift and loading the unit. We found that you could use your index finger rather than a penny to check the pin operation. It only took a time or two to judge the distance to hold you finger off the bolt face to prevent a painful poke from the pin yet still feeling its operation.”
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Joe Doakes aka Kilogulf59
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Load and Unload the Slide or Pump Action Shotgun
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a. Remington 870 type actions - With the action fully open, flip the shotgun over, loading port up. Push the carrier into the receiver, exposing the magazine. Depress the gun’s right shell latch and remove the shell from the magazine. Repeat until you see and feel the follower.
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b. Mossberg 500 type actions - Close the action. This places the elevator in the upward position against the bolt. Flip the shotgun over, loading port up. Depress the cartridge stop and remove the shell from the magazine. Repeat until you see and feel the follower.
- These steps can and should be easily performed without looking at the shotgun, i.e. by touch alone. Your eyes ought to be scanning.
- When loading, the way you grasp the shells depends on how they’re carried. Their orientation is critical. Find the easiest, most secure, and consistent method that works for you and stick with it.
- Always practice with dummy training shells.
Take care and stay safe,
Joe Doakes aka Kilogulf59
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A Handgun Presentation or Draw Method + EU/ED
- The gun hand sweeps under the cover garment, from the front, in somewhat of a chopping motion, and down towards the holstered weapon. The fingers rather spread, with the little finger leading through and under the garment. The fingertips maintain a faint contact with the body.
- Whilst the hand nears the holsters low-front area, it starts the upward motion of the circle and the ring and middle fingers making contact with the grip.
- Simultaneously, the thumb releases the thumb-break, (even if there isn’t one, I keep the movements the same, constantly) and I complete the grip by pulling the weapon up into the hand, as the thumb comes around to complete the grip.
- The elbow then comes straight up and, just as the weapon clears the holster, the gun hand/forearm is brought parallel to the ground and the elbow comes down (EU/ED…explained below) into a close or quarter-hip position (or continues out and into the appropriate shooting or so-called ready position).
- The entire process is to be executed is a smooth and flowing manner.
- While technically a finger initiation grip, the pistol is hardly in motion prior to the thumb completing the grasp.
- It is well to remember to grip the weapon in a vice-like convulsive manner with a locked wrist and rigid forearm.
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Mayday, Mayday, Mayday
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"The "mayday" procedure word was originated in 1923, by a senior radio officer at Croydon Airport in London. The officer, Frederick Stanley Mockford, was asked to think of a word that would indicate distress and would easily be understood by all pilots and ground staff in an emergency. Since much of the traffic at the time was between Croydon and Le Bourget Airport in Paris, he proposed the expression "mayday" from the French m'aider ('help me'), a shortened form of venez m'aider ('come and help me'). It is unrelated to the holiday May Day.
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Before the voice call "mayday", SOS was the Morse code equivalent of the mayday call. In 1927, the International Radiotelegraph Convention of Washington adopted the voice call mayday as the radiotelephone distress call in place of the SOS radiotelegraph (Morse code) call."
Take care and stay safe,
Joe Doakes aka Kilogulf59
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Origin of the Term "Bug Out"
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